Sunday, 12 September 2021

The Persians are coming: Ahura Mazda and the camp - posted by Dirk Heinsius, 9 Sepember 2021

The Persians are coming.....

The Persian camp, and the sacred chariot of Ahura Mazda, are open for business 

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Steven Hill
Reg Bg(S)?
How do you intend to use that in games?
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  • Dirk Heinsius
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    Steven Hill Has to be deployed with the baggage, so not terribly useful, but looks pretty. Does however improve the morale of the army as a whole, and adds a +1 to any baggage element in combat, who are in edge or corner contact with it 🙂
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    • Dirk Heinsius
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      And because of the (totally unreasonable) bias in the rules against Persians (and pro Romano-Hellenistic), it's Irr Bg(S)
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    • Phillip Nash
      Dirk Heinsius a large part of why I play MeG 😛. Too many armies in DBMM are just not fun to use bc the bias is too heavy against them. Irregulars and sponno troops are just punished throughout the game, making them not worth playing with.
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    • Andrew Norrie
      Phillip Nash I was looking at MeG a wee while ago. Perhaps it's time for another look....
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    • Phillip Nash
      Andrew Norrie I really like it. I'll be running an intl tournament as soon as travel becomes possible again - so you could have about 5 years to practice 😃
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    • Dirk Heinsius
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      Phillip Nash had a look at MeG and not that impressed, but I haven’t played so I probably shouldn’t comment.
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    • Phillip Nash
      Dirk Heinsius what maybe at first seems clunky is actually very nuanced. I wasn't over-awed at first but once I started to grasp the rules more I was hooked. 🙂
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    • Phillip Nash
      Oh and Persians are pretty damn good - both Archies and Sassies 😛
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Steven Hill
Does that apply to all Bg(S) or just yours? I don't have book 1. My Book 2 Sassanids don't say anything about that and I was thinking of a Bg(S) general element.
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  • Dirk Heinsius
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    Steven Hill just mine 😭
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  • Vincent Cholewa
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    Steven Hill Craig Mabon uses Bg(S) with his Assyrians, though it is not his general. He has had a lot of fun with it.
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  • Craig Mabon
    Yep, the Assyrian Bge(S) is a separate non-general, not restricted to the baggage element. So it usually sits in behind the chariots adding +1 to the three elements in edge/corner contact.
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  • Phillip Nash
    Bg S Gen is very unwieldly. Almost impossible to move. Even straight forward is going to eat up lots of pips. It can only do tiny, slow and clunky wheels, at a zillion pips per move 😛
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  • Vincent Cholewa
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    Steven Hill you may have noticed, everything Dirkses, King of Kings, Lord of Totara Park and Surrounding Suburbs does is superior!
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  • Steven Hill
    I don't understand where the problem is necessarily for PIP expenditure, nothing distinguishes the Bg(s) differently other than the plus 1 for train which is offset by the minus 1 for a general. All other PiP expenditure is the same for any other grou… 
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    • Vincent Cholewa
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      Steven Hill you have it right 👍 A Bg(S) general would move at 160p the same as close order foot like legionnaires (if that is not a culturally inappropriate comment to make to a Persian 😝). Plus 1 PIP for being train. -1 PIP for the general. When it is… 
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  • Phillip Nash
    Not so bad if a Reg Gen, but Irr is not so good. Does it not have issues with wheeling distances being tiny? Something to do with the distance corners move? It's a long time since I played, and even longer since I tried to use the bg S in my Sassanids. I mostly remember it being absolutely useless and frustrating - hence my bias against it 🙂
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    • Vincent Cholewa
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      Phillip Nash when wheeling as part of a group, a Bg(S) general wheels exactly the same as close order foot, except there is +1 PIP for being train. An irregular CnC would move the same as a regular general: Generals are never clumsy and the CnC gets -1… 
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  • Craig Mabon
    I use both Reg Bge(S) and Irr Bge(S). The Reg Bge(S) is in my Assyrian army and it customarily supports the chariots (Reg Kn(S) Ch). The Irr Bge(S) is in my Sung Chinese army and it must be deployed with the Militia (Hd(O)). Tactically the two armies use the Bge (S) quite differently. For the Assyrians it's to help the main striking force of the army. For the Sung, it's to provide a large obstacle on one flank (16 Hd(O) + 2 Bge(S) + a couple of Bd (O) or (F)) to hold up the enemy for as long as possible. I used the Sung in all 4 games at the Winter Cup and the Militia moved once in those games.
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