Tuesday 26 October 2021

Battle of Agincourt - 25 October 2021: Scottish Kiwi, Alastair Donald, threw some bait and there were lots of bites!

This day 1415 - beating the French yet again.
Makes you proud to be English!
John Moher, Andrew Norrie and 2 others
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  • Ian Robertson
    And all lost within a 50 years
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  • Barry Norris
    Happy St Crispin's Day then.
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  • Russell Briant
    Makes you wonder how the French now hold all of France???
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    • Tilman Dang
      Russell Briant the british made them belief they are french, just like they made inhabitants of many culturaly diverse and very rifted and antagonistic societies (India, Maori) realize they had something in common worth keeping.
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  • Ben Vartok
    It's hardly beating the French when you are descended from a French Dynasty, call yourself King of France, speak french, oh and technically you are a vassal of the French Crown because you are still Duke of Normandy.
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    • Alastair Donald
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      6,000 French dead is beating the French.
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    • Alastair Donald
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      Your not a vassal if you’re also the King of France. I fear your logic has failed you.
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      • Ben Vartok
        Alastair Donald Probably...though he was the Duke of Normandy and only claimed the French Crown so definitely a vassal and that makes England a vassal state of France since 1066.....
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      • John Edmundson
        Alastair Donald You can be if you only call yourself King, as opposed to being one. :^)
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      • Tilman Dang
        Alastair Donald wether Duke of Normandy or Roi de France, French speaking... And thus french in any case. This was before the advent of nationalism we take for granted now. This battle was an important step towards nationalism, but probably no source of national pride for the participants . Most dead would have been celtic bretons, italian mercanaries, Germanics and Gascons, the subjects of the Kings of Western Francia would only over time and the atrocities of the 100 yw get coerced in the belief that they had something in comon. As with "Germany" and "Italy" both of which wouldnt have happened the way they formed into national states we think of now without french occupation under Napoleon, dissolving old structures and internal rifts and forming a sense of unity out of antagonism against an invader.
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    • Alastair Donald
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      Moistened bints distributing swords should not be the foundation of government… but a good excuse for calling yourself king.
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      • Ben Vartok
        Alastair Donald A real mandate is derived from the masses not some farcical aquatic ceremony...sounds like revolutionary France!
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  • Daniel Wade
    Being English is over-rated since Brexit, I bet the French are having a good laugh.
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    • Alastair Donald
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      True, the EU is a positive for the French, it makes it much harder to surrender to anyone. The Russians will have to get through Poland and Germany before the French have to chuck in the towel.
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      • Russell Briant
        Alastair Donald this from the English who retreated from France in 1558 ner to return apart from brief continental excursions and package holidays to the Riviera… and let’s not start on the retreat from the Empire …
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  • Tilman Dang
    English.... Remind me who brought the longbow in as a massed weapon of war?
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    • Russell Briant
      Tilman Dang The Southern Welsh?
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    • Tilman Dang
      correct, about 1/3 of the "english" army at Agincourt was Welsh, 1 out of 3 nobles (3 was the total number....) Henrys army suffered as fatalities was Welsh.
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  • Ion A Dowman
    Napoleon's comment as he rode away from Waterloo:
    'Cela a toujours ƩtƩ ainsi depuis CrƩcy'.
    Mind you, he did overlook battles such as Castillon (1453), Fontenoy (1745), and some wars unfortunate for England, such as the War of the Grand Alliance in the 1690s, and the War of the Spanish Succession in Spain.
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    • John Edmundson
      Yep, and the Hundred Years War. Anglophiles love to remember Crecy, Poitiers and Agincourt, but conveniently forget that the English lost the war. In fact, while I read lots of books on famous battles as a kid, including at least one of these three, it was only *years* later that I discovered that the French won the war.
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  • Vincent Cholewa
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    Well this post worked: in one of the relevant languages, Alastair Donald may have been an agent provocateur šŸ˜
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  • Kevin McCarthy
    Donnez moi un  break!



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