Lists that can't make 400AP: Aitolian or Akarnian: posted by Josh Barton, 31 October 2020

What are people's views on lists that can't make 400ap? I was just looking at 1:52 (early Greek) and noticed that with the Aitolian or Akarnian option the most points you can get to is 299ap.

Is it just an unusable list or would scaling up the main troop type (Irr Ps(i)) to make up the points be acceptable?

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Andrew Jarman

It's because those city states probably never operated in isolation so you are expected to take an ally city.

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  that's what I thought, but there aren't any permitted allies for the list

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  Josh Barton

   they are allowed to be allies for other lists though. Perhaps you are approaching the list from the wrong way and need to think of them as contributing contingents to other City States as being subsumed into those armies. See notes?

  

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  "Since Greek cities fought incessantly like cat and dog, an army can only have troops of a single city state unless an allied contingent is specified."

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  Josh Barton

   indeed but Aitolians are listed as allies for some external lists. Perhaps this is the only reason they get a mention in the main list as otherwise they are just too small. Plus dont forget you can buy Fortifications to get you over 300 AP.

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  but I did a search of the book and those two aren't available as external allies, and they don't have any fortifications available 

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  Josh Barton

   BUAf is listed at top

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  Josh Barton

   Lykian can have Mercenary Greek, what you call them isnt defined so I suppose you could hire Aitolian?

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Anthony Reardon

The notes say that '(e)ven the most backward states' had taken up the hoplite system by 650BC and this list is an evolution from list 30, which is AxO. For the Aitolians to have '3/4 to all' Sp replaced as PsI strikes me as contradictory to the notes a… 

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  Anthony Reardon

   this list has had "Script Issues From Day 1"

  

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  yeah, although the 3/4 to full also aligns well with the book 2:5 list. Anyways, thanks for the advice both of you, I think I'll avoid the question by just not looking at the list again 

  

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